Comments on: RAW Workflow: A Pro’s Approach http://www.digital-photography-school.com/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach Discover how to use your digital camera with our Digital Photography Tips. We are a community of photographers of all experience levels who come together to learn, share and grow in our understanding of photography. Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:12:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Daniel http://www.digital-photography-school.com/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/comment-page-1#comment-249369 Daniel Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:53:43 +0000 http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/#comment-249369 Good article! Thanks for sharing. Good article! Thanks for sharing.

]]> By: London wedding photographer http://www.digital-photography-school.com/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/comment-page-1#comment-206183 London wedding photographer Sat, 03 Sep 2011 21:45:23 +0000 http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/#comment-206183 Great insight into a very organised workflow - thanks for sharing! Nick Great insight into a very organised workflow – thanks for sharing!
Nick

]]> By: Vasilis http://www.digital-photography-school.com/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/comment-page-1#comment-89487 Vasilis Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:17:48 +0000 http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/#comment-89487 Useful info. I have three questions: a) I have just installed PS Elements and have not yet become familiar with it. Does it allow viewing and processing RAW images? b) When I read an article on RAW in EOS User mag. it was stated that a RAW image looks murky and dark until you process it. When I convert RAWs with my EOS 5D MkII I only get pairs of images (one TIFF one JPG) but not the "murky" pic I want to process to my liking. Where is the murky pic? I had the same experience with other RAW conversion programmes, such as Silkypix and Raw Therapee. If I don't see the "murky" image how can I process it? c) I am usually shooting in RAW+JPG mode and batch converting in "Digital Photo Professional" Canon bundled software. While in the software bundled with my early EOS 300D I was getting one TIFF per shot, in the recent version I am getting a TIFF and a JPG, AFTER the conversion. I wish to spare myself the process of deleting JPG images afterwords. Is there a way to avoid getting the JPGs? I would appreciate your input. Useful info. I have three questions:

a) I have just installed PS Elements and have not yet become familiar with it. Does it allow viewing and processing RAW images?

b) When I read an article on RAW in EOS User mag. it was stated that a RAW image looks murky and dark until you process it. When I convert RAWs with my EOS 5D MkII I only get pairs of images (one TIFF one JPG) but not the “murky” pic I want to process to my liking. Where is the murky pic? I had the same experience with other RAW conversion programmes, such as Silkypix and Raw Therapee. If I don’t see the “murky” image how can I process it?

c) I am usually shooting in RAW+JPG mode and batch converting in “Digital Photo Professional” Canon bundled software. While in the software bundled with my early EOS 300D I was getting one TIFF per shot, in the recent version I am getting a TIFF and a JPG, AFTER the conversion. I wish to spare myself the process of deleting JPG images afterwords. Is there a way to avoid getting the JPGs?

I would appreciate your input.

]]> By: Pete Coxon http://www.digital-photography-school.com/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/comment-page-1#comment-78475 Pete Coxon Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:22:14 +0000 http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/#comment-78475 Noise Ninja recommends using it as early as possible, not last, as the writer of this article does. http://www.picturecode.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Where_should_Noise_Ninja_be_used_in_the_workflow.3F Noise Ninja recommends using it as early as possible, not last, as the writer of this article does.

http://www.picturecode.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Where_should_Noise_Ninja_be_used_in_the_workflow.3F

]]> By: karatedog http://www.digital-photography-school.com/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/comment-page-1#comment-65771 karatedog Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:26:44 +0000 http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/#comment-65771 Capture NX's controls are a tad bit - khmm - suboptimal. I would condemn the creators to process a few hundred pictures at least daily. This is where Lightroom excels. Back to Capture NX: My biggest issue is lens distortion, which is corrected in D90 (almost) if you shoot JPEG. However if you shoot RAW, even Capture NX won't correct them - that's why I wait for Lightroom to introduce this feature instead of some fancy artificial filtering, which could be left out, as it can be perfectly done in Photoshop contrary to complex distortion correction, like what the 18-200mm lens does. Ah, wait, there is not even a simple distortion correction exists in LR. But - in my opinion - dist. correction is one of the first steps in the work-flow. But this is rendered useless if I have to export the freshly converted RAW to PS to have it back distortion corrected. One of the reasons Bibble Labs or DxO Optics can sell their software. So the few options for people who worship distortion free pictures: 1. Wait for Adobe to discover that no people will throw out Photoshop beacuse there is automated correction in Lightroom; 2. wait for Capture NX to notice they have a software feature in their cameras, which their PC software can't do, which is lame. 3. and last, wait for Zeiss to reinvent autofocus, so we can throw away those cheap plastic lenses of Nikon. Capture NX’s controls are a tad bit – khmm – suboptimal. I would condemn the creators to process a few hundred pictures at least daily. This is where Lightroom excels.
Back to Capture NX: My biggest issue is lens distortion, which is corrected in D90 (almost) if you shoot JPEG. However if you shoot RAW, even Capture NX won’t correct them – that’s why I wait for Lightroom to introduce this feature instead of some fancy artificial filtering, which could be left out, as it can be perfectly done in Photoshop contrary to complex distortion correction, like what the 18-200mm lens does.
Ah, wait, there is not even a simple distortion correction exists in LR. But – in my opinion – dist. correction is one of the first steps in the work-flow. But this is rendered useless if I have to export the freshly converted RAW to PS to have it back distortion corrected. One of the reasons Bibble Labs or DxO Optics can sell their software.
So the few options for people who worship distortion free pictures: 1. Wait for Adobe to discover that no people will throw out Photoshop beacuse there is automated correction in Lightroom; 2. wait for Capture NX to notice they have a software feature in their cameras, which their PC software can’t do, which is lame. 3. and last, wait for Zeiss to reinvent autofocus, so we can throw away those cheap plastic lenses of Nikon.

]]> By: jepoma http://www.digital-photography-school.com/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/comment-page-1#comment-65534 jepoma Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:58:28 +0000 http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/#comment-65534 I fully agree with Mike who wrote, back in June 2008: "It should be noted that most of the hassle with RAW is from using third party software like Lightroom. Amateurs often complain they have to do more work when shooting RAW, but with my Nikon and Capture NX (or Canon and DPP) the RAW files open up EXACTLY like an in-camera jpeg. If it looks good you’re done. None of this fiddling around color correcting everything or adjusting hues, etc. Most people don’t realize this fact." The problems or disappointments are not limited to color rendering: chromatic aberrations also crop up (see my <a href="http://jepoma.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/lr-and-nef/" title="blog entry" rel="nofollow">blog entry</a>). This is now bothering me enough that I am considering switching from Lightroom to NX2. But not just yet: The guys at Adobe are working to address this. Maybe Lr 3.0 will do what I'm after ... BTW, in the meantime, I shoot RAW+JPEG so I have the JPEG to guide me in my RAW adjustments. Anyone else seen these effects ? Anyone else shooting RAW+JPEG ? Anyone else ready to switch from Lr to NX2 ? Cheers. I fully agree with Mike who wrote, back in June 2008: “It should be noted that most of the hassle with RAW is from using third party software like Lightroom. Amateurs often complain they have to do more work when shooting RAW, but with my Nikon and Capture NX (or Canon and DPP) the RAW files open up EXACTLY like an in-camera jpeg. If it looks good you’re done. None of this fiddling around color correcting everything or adjusting hues, etc. Most people don’t realize this fact.” The problems or disappointments are not limited to color rendering: chromatic aberrations also crop up (see my blog entry). This is now bothering me enough that I am considering switching from Lightroom to NX2. But not just yet: The guys at Adobe are working to address this. Maybe Lr 3.0 will do what I’m after …

BTW, in the meantime, I shoot RAW+JPEG so I have the JPEG to guide me in my RAW adjustments.

Anyone else seen these effects ? Anyone else shooting RAW+JPEG ? Anyone else ready to switch from Lr to NX2 ?

Cheers.

]]> By: Carlos http://www.digital-photography-school.com/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/comment-page-1#comment-62236 Carlos Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:21:00 +0000 http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/#comment-62236 Thanks for this great article! I have the same exact question as David: when does sharpening get into the workflow? Thanks for this great article!
I have the same exact question as David: when does sharpening get into the workflow?

]]> By: David http://www.digital-photography-school.com/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/comment-page-1#comment-62063 David Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:12:45 +0000 http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/#comment-62063 First of all, thanks for the great article. For quite a while I was trying and bothering to find a good workflow myself. I was not yet very comfortable working with RAW either. This article really helped me in the right direction! I do have one question, for whoever feels like answering: Where in the workflow should I do sharpening? I read everywhere it should be done at the end of the workflow, which makes perfect sense to me. But in the described workflow (Backup --> Lightroom --> Photoshop for some photos --> Noise Ninja) sharpening is not mentioned. I know sharpening can be done within Lightroom, but I suppose it is better to remove noise before sharpening, or? Can sharpening be done within Noise Ninja? If yes, is the program good at it? Thanks for any ideas / opinions! First of all, thanks for the great article. For quite a while I was trying and bothering to find a good workflow myself. I was not yet very comfortable working with RAW either. This article really helped me in the right direction!

I do have one question, for whoever feels like answering:
Where in the workflow should I do sharpening? I read everywhere it should be done at the end of the workflow, which makes perfect sense to me. But in the described workflow (Backup –> Lightroom –> Photoshop for some photos –> Noise Ninja) sharpening is not mentioned. I know sharpening can be done within Lightroom, but I suppose it is better to remove noise before sharpening, or?

Can sharpening be done within Noise Ninja? If yes, is the program good at it?

Thanks for any ideas / opinions!

]]> By: karatedog http://www.digital-photography-school.com/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/comment-page-1#comment-60577 karatedog Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:10:08 +0000 http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/#comment-60577 davidh, But when shooting tethered (connected with an USB to a computer) this lag should not happen, and if I check Canon 50D's specs, they have somehow overcome this problem :-) 6.3 fps no matter if you shoot raw or jpg. Anyway Nikon always slows down their camera when a grip is not attached, a marketing trick Canon never did. Nikon could say in the specs "I can shoot x fps but you have to buy the speediest card in the world"... davidh,

But when shooting tethered (connected with an USB to a computer) this lag should not happen, and if I check Canon 50D’s specs, they have somehow overcome this problem :-) 6.3 fps no matter if you shoot raw or jpg.
Anyway Nikon always slows down their camera when a grip is not attached, a marketing trick Canon never did.
Nikon could say in the specs “I can shoot x fps but you have to buy the speediest card in the world”…

]]> By: DavidH http://www.digital-photography-school.com/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/comment-page-1#comment-60530 DavidH Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:42:47 +0000 http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/raw-workflow-a-pros-approach/#comment-60530 Karatedog, My guess is that the time lag when shooting RAW is a result of copying the RAW file from the camera memory to the data card. To paraphrase what you said, after creating the RAW, the camera either 1) copies a large file to the card, or 2) creates a smaller file, then copies that to the card. Apparently the in-camera JPEG creation is faster than transferring the extra data to the card. But that is just my guess. Karatedog,

My guess is that the time lag when shooting RAW is a result of copying the RAW file from the camera memory to the data card. To paraphrase what you said, after creating the RAW, the camera either 1) copies a large file to the card, or 2) creates a smaller file, then copies that to the card. Apparently the in-camera JPEG creation is faster than transferring the extra data to the card.

But that is just my guess.

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